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stevebausch
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Is OzGrid the same as MrExcel?

Somebody keeps whining about cross-posting, the citation is always the other board.

What's up with that?

If you guys want to ask the same question of two different forums, this forum is available:
http://pub13.ezboard.com/fvisualbasicexplorervisualbasicforapplicationsvba

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The problem with cross posting is this: you may post an interesting query, which I might spend some serious time trying to solve for you. At the same time, someone else somewhere else is doing the same thing. It results in either a waste of my time, or theirs. Post to one board; if not satisfied, then go to another (and perhaps close your original thread as you go.)

And, no, Oz and MrExcel are not the same, except in intent.
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Post Sat Mar 29, 2003 10:28 pm 
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I have enough confidence in my skills to allow somebody else to compete with me.

If they have a superior technique, I want to learn from that person.

If they have the same technique, that is good to know, also.

Sounds like an ego problem, more than anything else.

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Steve, you have misunderstood me. It isn't about competition, nor ego. It is about helping the most people possible given a finite amount of time. By definition, duplication of effort defeats that purpose.
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I take it you would only agree to be an exclusive consultant? How many companies would be scared away by someone who says "Don't ask anyone else, I know it all."?

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As for myself, I don't see anything wrong in cross-posting. I have this cute little organdy chiffon strapless dress......ooops! - that was cross-posting, wasn't it? icon_redface.gif icon_twisted.gif icon_mrgreen.gif
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exclusive consultant?
Do you consult for free, Steve?

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exclusive consultant?
Do you consult for free, Steve?

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Kind of what any of us does, when we respond to a thread, isn't it?

The point I was trying to make is I don't mind answering a question posted on multiple boards. Excel - Excel VBA is a pretty broad subject. I don't expect everyone to have the identical solution to a problem, and I am happy to see various proposals. If offense is taken to "duplicate" posts across different boards, that sounds like an ego problem.

Many years ago, I was talked into attending a multi-level marketing presentation. For some reason, one topic was dealing with stress. The proposed remedy? "We have no right to expect anything." So many times we hear "I have a right to be mad about......". Which is a great way to stress yourself.

If somebody posts the same issue on multiple boards, what "right" do I have to be offended? Humility is a great way to avoid stress.

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quote:
Originally posted by stevebausch:
I take it you would only agree to be an exclusive consultant? How many companies would be scared away by someone who says "Don't ask anyone else, I know it all."?


Steve -

First, this question *should* have been posted to the Questions About this Board forum, not this one. Second, I am not a consultant in any sense of the word, but merely a volunteer. Third, I respond to posts from individuals, some of whom may or may not work for companies.

In closing, because I do not think I will return to this thread, I suggest you re-read my prior posts. In neither did I refer to exclusivity; I only pointed out that, with a finite amount of time to be donated duplication of effort was not a great idea.
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Stevebausch :
I too put considerable "volunteer" time in attempting to help people on this board. In fact I sometimes work hours on a solution for someone. Due to limited time and resources I would prefer to help those that have a real need and interest in the solutions, I'm attempting to provide.

I respect your freedom to post in as many places as you want , hopefully you will learn much.
I also hope you will respect my wishes to avoid spending time on attempting to help you in any of your posts. This is nothing personal , I would just rather spend my finite resources helping OP's that have a sincere need .

HOWEVER : On a more personal note I would like to say I don't appreciate your lack of understanding for my fellow "volunteers" on this board. I resent your un-informed assumptions of their motives and personalities. They do not deserve your attitude . Good-night Sir icon_warning.gif
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Steve,

this is the last I will offer for your entertainment. Look in my profile and see what problem there

is with ego. It says "Truck Driver". Knowing the reputation that goes along with being a truck driver

there is still no reason I can find to pretend to be something else. Somebody who is egotisical about

what they do or what knowledge they possess is fooling themselves. You seem to be quick to resort to

name calling with anybody who has a complaint which you don't share the same viewpoint as having an ego

problem. This being the case reveals much about yourself. There is a personal satisfaction in helping

somebody solve their problem. Part of that satisfaction is knowing that your solution was productive.

It is not a "thank you" that provides this, but a simple acknowledgment that you contribituted. Nothing

about this board or any of the software we discuss is going to bring about world peace and in the whole

scheme of things is not really even important, but, manners are important. That is what separates this

board from most others. If this board becomes what most others are then I'm out of here. I rarely post

on other boards and, in fact, rarely use Excel. I just enjoy the learning environment and some of the

personalities I have become aquainted with. I used to drive a taxi and there was a certain method used

by rude people. They would call several taxi companies and whoever got there first got the fare. Is this

right? These are human beings who took their time to drive to some location and pick you up but you were

not there and, therefore, you wasted their time and money. This same method of choice is used by cross

posters who percieve that they deserve more attention than others. It is not about being the best because

somebody will always be better or of having to post something profound or unique. It is about being friendly

and helpful. If you need ego, go post at Microsoft's groups. If you want to have fun and help somebody out

at the same time, then post here. You may call this whining and say, well, sorry bud, but that's how this

world works. Good enough for you. Some people do not let the norm dictate their behavior. Remember that an

actual human being typed this before you read it. icon_smile.gif
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Tom,
Thanks for the reply, I enjoyed reading it.
Steve

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As someone who has learned so much, and has been helped so much by some of the great people here, I'd like to thank everyone. Your efforts and advice are very appreciated. :D

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I'm not an EXPERT. I'm not an MASTER. I’m not an MVP. I've been classified as a "newbie".

I found this board by luck and it has helped me more than I can describe. Early on, however, as I was still "searching" for answers, I did look elsewhere and ask the same questions on a couple of occasions. In a very short time I stopped doing that ... for two reasons.

First, I found the level of expertise on this board to be incredible.

Second, because I was so pleased to find so many people willing to help me here. And, though I've never met any of them, I recognize that they are just that... people willing to help me. I would never dream of wasting their time. In my work and in my life, time is precious. And so are the people behind the words (and code) on this board.

Thank you TsTom, Nimrod, Phantom1975, NdNoviceHlp, just_jon, Barry Katcher, Richie(UK), Mudface, Juan Pablo G., rafaaj2000 and more others than I can remember!

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mezr
...and we appreciate that. I have never, no not once, heard anybody here discourage people from posting elsewhere. I have personally posted at Dave Hawley's forum and have no problem with doing so. It's a great forum. There is an allegiance to MrEcel on my part, but it is conditional upon my own personal experience. Message boards are only one avenue to get an answer. The internet tempts people, by it's very nature, to forget that these are actual people, just like them, answering their questions. icon_smile.gif I love people and do not allow myself to forget their time and effort when they have helped me. icon_smile.gif


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stevebausch,

What´s Your problem?

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Topic: Why I post to this (and other) boards.
By: Barry D. Katcher
Course: The History of Addicts in Western Civilization 101

This is why:
1. Because I’m altruistic and love to help people…NAH!
2. Because I feel good about myself when people thank me (i.e. mezr above). That’s more like it.
3. Because I learn as much, if not more, by solving other people’s problems as by having mine solved. Repetition is next to Godliness.
4. Camaraderie.
5. It’s a great place to pick up chicks.

Steve, may I beg to differ with you on two points you made that seem to be contradictory. In your original post, you state “Somebody keeps whining (my italics) about cross-posting, the citation is always the other board.” My take is that you are irritated by these people. Irritation is a suppressed form of anger. Then, in your third reply, you state:

" So many times we hear "I have a right to be mad about......". Which is a great way to stress yourself.
If somebody posts the same issue on multiple boards, what "right" do I have to be offended? Humility is a great way to avoid stress.” (my italics)

I think it’s great to strive for a Zen-like equanimity in life, but for the rest of us unenlightened multitude who will never attain it, I prefer the psychological route, namely, admitting one’s feelings and working through them.

Feelings are neither good nor bad, the just are (says he, rather pretentiously). Working through them in a safe, rather than destructive way is what leads, in the case of the aforementioned multitude, to equanimity and humility. This thread is a good example of a “safe” method of airing our feelings although, given our normal penchant for defensiveness, I’m somewhat doubtful of it’s productivity.

And, in conclusion, I’d just like to summarize by saying “I hope this diatribe impressed all you chicks out there. Ha-cha-cha.” (get a life, Barry) icon_twisted.gif
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I think TsTom's commment ...

there was a certain method used by rude people. They would call several taxi companies and whoever got there first got the fare. Is this
right? These are human beings who took their time to drive to some location and pick you up but you were not there and, therefore, you wasted their time and money.


really drives the point home. If I may say another way -- CROSS-POSTING shows lack of consideration by OP for the Time and Effort of the people who might be answering the OP's question.

CROSS-POSTING can be detrimental in another way too -- it may sound like a fake wolf call -- and a viewer may say, what the heck, somebody on some other BOARD will work it out, and it may turn out that no one took the post seriously, and the OP is the one who did not get the answer that the OP should have gotten.

I don't think any one is talking about not using multiple resources, I mean different Boards/Forums -- there is however a definite difference between utilizing multiple resources and CROSS-POSTING.
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If you cross post - say so link 'em up

Only polite!

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