Match(NamedRange,NamedRange,0) doesn't work

[Jacophile]

Hi all, I hope someone can spot the problem here.

I have an array formula: {=SUM(IF(MATCH(Group,Group,0)=(ROW(Group)-ROW($C2)+1),1,0))}

where Group is: OFFSET(Groups!$C$2,0,0,Groups!$D$1)

and the array formula is entered in Groups!E1 and returns an #N/A error.

If I select the formula in the Formula bar and press F9 it evaluates to 48 which is the result I am looking for.

If it calculates OK using F9, why can't excel resolve it in the cell??

When I enter the match part as an array {=MATCH(Group,Group,0)} in an appropriately sized range, it works fine and returns the index of the first occurrence of the elements of the Groups array as it should.

The Groups array in column C is an array formula entered over 388 rows and contains:
{=IF($A2:$A389="","",INDEX(XCorel!$IC$2:$IC$232,$A2:$A389))}
where XCorel is another sheet in the same workbook.

Can anyone suggest why this might be?
If I replace the array formula in column C (Group) with its values the problem goes away, but I want it to be dynamic.

 

[Jacophile]

Is the result of this formula

=COUNT(IC2:IC232)

used in the definition of Group, which is:

OFFSET(Groups!$C$2,0,0,Groups!$D$1)

If so, why are you not using the C-range itself in Groups directly?

Only because I want to minimise the links between sheets.
This is not the problem however since I changed the definition of Group to =OFFSET(Groups!$C$2,0,0,CountInGroup) and it had no effect.

 

[Aladin Akyurek]

Only because I want to minimise the links between sheets.
This is not the problem however since I changed the definition of Group to =OFFSET(Groups!$C$2,0,0,CountInGroup) and it had no effect.

Try the following set up...

a) Define BigNum as refering to:

9.99999999999999E+307

b) Define Size as referring to:

=MATCH(BigNum,Groups!$C:$C)-ROW(Groups!$C$2)+1

c) Define Group as referring to:

=OFFSET(Groups!$C$2,0,0,Size)

Note. The above definitions assume that the range in column C in Groups is supposed to be of numeric data type.

Now you can invoke:

Control+shift+enter, not just enter...

=SUM(IF(FREQUENCY(IF(Group<>"",MATCH("~"&Group,Group&"",0)),
    ROW(Group)-ROW(INDEX(Group,1,1))+1),1))

 

[Jacophile]

Hi, I tried your suggestions and it made no difference. I have now dramatically simplified the spread sheet so I can post it. See below:

Excel Workbook
	A	B	C	D	E	F	G	H	I
1	Item	In Group		Item	Group	#N/A		#N/A	#N/A
2	1	27		1	27		#N/A	1
3	2	0		3	109		#N/A	2
4	3	109		5	82		#N/A	3
5	4	0		7	165		#N/A	4
6	5	82		9	35		#N/A	5
7	6	0		10	38		#N/A	6
8	7	165		12	215		#N/A	7
9	8	0		13	211		#N/A	8
10	9	35		0	0
11	10	38		0	0
12	11	0		0	0
13	12	215		0	0
14	13	211		0	0
15	13	8
16
17	CountInGroup	=Groups!$B$15
18	Group	=OFFSET(Groups!$E$2,0,0,CountInGroup)
Groups

My method is in F1 and yours in in I1. break-down method is in columns G and H. None of them work.

The only thing that fixes it is to do a copy/paste values in column E.

The other strange part is that the array formuale all work when I select them in the formula bar and press F9 and they all work when I first enter them before I re-calc the spreadsheet (when calculation is set to manual).

Am I going crazy or is this just a bug in Excel?

 

[Aladin Akyurek]

I have a suggestion. Could you repost the last exhibit without any formula and/or names for ranges/cells, but with the expected results?

 

[Jacophile]

Thanks anyway Aladin, I found that this works ok =SUMPRODUCT((Group<>"")/COUNTIF(Group,Group&""))

(Very nice bit of set theory that)

Strange that the Frequency method doesn't work reliably, my conclusion is that array formulae are flaky if you get too complicated.

Cheers.

 

[Aladin Akyurek]

Thanks anyway Aladin, I found that this works ok =SUMPRODUCT((Group<>"")/COUNTIF(Group,Group&""))

(Very nice bit of set theory that)

Strange that the Frequency method doesn't work reliably, my conclusion is that array formulae are flaky if you get too complicated.

Cheers.

I need more to be convinced...

If

=SUMPRODUCT((Group<>"")/COUNTIF(Group,Group&""))

works,

{=SUM(IF(FREQUENCY(IF(Group<>"",MATCH("~"&Group,Group&"",0)),ROW(Group)-ROW(INDEX(Group,1,1))+1),1))}

will work too.

 

[Aladin Akyurek]

Thanks anyway Aladin, I found that this works ok =SUMPRODUCT((Group<>"")/COUNTIF(Group,Group&""))

(Very nice bit of set theory that)

Strange that the Frequency method doesn't work reliably, my conclusion is that array formulae are flaky if you get too complicated.

Cheers.

A second thought...

If the range the defined name Group refers to has any cell whose value is formula-generated using Offset or Indirect, the formulas with Match will die (yielding #N/A) in an unresolvable dereferencing issue. The formula with CountIf is indeed unaffected.

See:

http://www.mrexcel.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1877343#post1877343

where Pedro (pgc01) has run into an old issue and pointed out to me that you might likewise have the same trouble.

 

[Jacophile]

Hi Aladin, sorry, I can't access that thread for some reason is says I do not have permission to access this page.

Certainly the problem seems to be related to resolving the reference in the Groups array because, as I said previously, if I replace the formulae with their values the problem disappears.

It would be nice to get to the bottom of this since I have spent so much time on it, so I have posted a question here http://www.cleveregg.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=2762#post2762 with a trimmed down version of my rather large spread sheet. If you could access this and have a look at the spreadsheet it would be great.

 

[pgc01]

Hi Jacophile

To cut a long story short:

- This bug was found by Fairwinds in 2004. Was reported as a possible bug to microsoft. Was accepted as a bug.

- The bug happens when the first parameter of the Match includes values calculated using indirection (using Offset() or Indirect()), directly or in any of its precedents.

-This bug was corrected, in excel 2007 you no longer have this problem.


This is a simple example that illustrates the problem.

In G4:

=SUMPRODUCT(MATCH(A4:A6,A4:A6,0))
Copy to the right.

A5:E7 are constants

We'll use the first row in the table to create the scenarios.

A4: 1
B4: =A4
C4: =INDEX(A4:A6,1)
D4: =INDIRECT("A4")
E4: =OFFSET(A4,0,0)

I used excel 2000 and, as you see, J4 and K4 result in error. When you use indirection you get #N/A.

If you do this exact example with excel 2007, you'll have no problem, all the results equal 5.

Hope this clarifies the issue.

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padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;background:#9CF; text-align:center; " ><b>6</b></td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; ">2</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; ">2</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; ">2</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; ">2</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; 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padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td></tr><tr><td colspan=13 style="background:#9CF; padding-left:1em" > [Book2.xls]Sheet1</td></tr></table>

 

[Jacophile]

Hope this clarifies the issue.

Yep. Thanks!

This is a simple example that illustrates the problem.

Thank you, that explains it nicely, that is exactly the situation I encountered.

-This bug was corrected, in excel 2007 you no longer have this problem.

erm, since the entire client base does not instantly switch to 2007 the problem does indeed persist.