Very Large Excel - Some Columns Are Slow to Copy and Paste

ShawnC84

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I created a very large Excel file (i.e. hundreds of MBs or 100,000 rows by 369 columns) for calculating a sample of about 100,000 insurance policies across five or so different companies. I started off by building out the first row with all the needed formulas and then have copied them down to row 100,000 of the worksheet. I have been the columns in sections of about 50 and as expected it can take the computer up to 10 seconds to complete the copy and paste. On rare occasions the copy and paste can take 30 to 60 minutes to complete and it does seem to be repeatable for the same columns. To be clear this is only the copy and paste. If I turn on the "Automatic" calculations, I usually stay in Manual mode once I build out the full spreadsheet, the entire completed worksheet still calculates relatively quick (i.e. a few seconds). Are there certain formulas that Excel struggles with copying and pasting more than others? I have not been able figure out the reason.

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Windows 10 64bit
Excel 365 64bit
Intel i7-7700K
32 GB Ram

Thanks for any thoughts.
 

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Which Excel functions have you included in the formulas? Some volatile functions slow things down considerably. Other culprits include formulas that use arrays, heavy use of conditional formatting, user-defined functions and formulas that require error-handling.

Have you considered turning the data into an official Excel Table? Putting the formula in any cell of a Table will populate the entire field (i.e., the column of the Table) thus speeding calculation considerably.

Can you upload some sample data for us to mess around with? Include the various formulas. Use xl2bb to upload it.

There are dozens of websites with advice on speeding Excel files. Here is one.
 
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Hi DRSteele,

Attached you will see snapshots of the columns (OA through QZ in the original spreadsheet)/formulas that are giving me the trouble. As you can see most of the formulas are VLOOKUPs with some INDEX, IF, PRODUCT, SUM, and ROUNDs thrown in for good measure. The formulas used in columns OA through Qz are very similar to the formulas used in earlier columns, which do not have the copy paste time delay. Is it possible that Excel gets "overwhelmed" despite having plenty of memory available? I have not yet tried to make it an official Excel Table, but I will give it a try. Also below is the output from the xl2bb. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks

100,000 character limit hit (Part 1 or 2)

Excel Copy Paste Example - Most Ros Removed.xlsb
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B4B4=CONCATENATE("0",LEFT(A4,2),MID(A4,4,2),"0",MID(A4,FIND("-",A4,1)+1,2),MID(A4,FIND(".",A4,5)+1,2))
C4C4=IF(VLOOKUP($A4,Territory_Assignment_Shared,1,TRUE)=$A4,VLOOKUP($A4,Territory_Assignment_Shared,3,TRUE),NA())
D4D4=IF(VLOOKUP($A4,Territory_Assignment_Shared,1,TRUE)=$A4,VLOOKUP($A4,Territory_Assignment_Shared,16,TRUE),NA())
E4E4=IF(VLOOKUP($A4,Territory_Assignment_Shared,1,TRUE)=$A4,VLOOKUP($A4,Territory_Assignment_Shared,2,TRUE),NA())
F4F4=IF(VLOOKUP($A4,Territory_Assignment_Shared,1,TRUE)=$A4,VLOOKUP(A4,Territory_Assignment_Shared,4,TRUE),NA())
G4G4=$DT4
H4,OB4H4=VLOOKUP($EW4,Territory_Type_THS_Proposed,2,FALSE)
I4I4=IF(VLOOKUP($A4,Territory_Assignment_Shared,1,TRUE)=$A4,VLOOKUP(A4,Territory_Assignment_Shared,15,TRUE),NA())
J4J4=IF(I4<=1,MROUND(I4,0.25),IF(I4<=10,MROUND(I4,1),IF(I4<=30,MROUND(I4,5),IF(I4<=100,MROUND(I4,10),MROUND(I4,25)))))
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L4L4=VLOOKUP($A4,Territory_Assignment_Shared,5,FALSE)
M4M4=VLOOKUP(RANDBETWEEN(1,2),Weight_Type,2,FALSE)
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Q4Q4=ROUND(R4/K4,2)
R4R4=VLOOKUP(VLOOKUP(RANDBETWEEN(1,10),Weight_CovC_Percent,2,FALSE)*K4,Weight_Possible_CovC_Limits,1,TRUE)
S4S4=ROUND(T4/K4,2)+VLOOKUP($M4,Included_CovD_NCRB2018,2,FALSE)
T4T4=IF($N4="Vacant",0,VLOOKUP(VLOOKUP(RANDBETWEEN(1,10),Weights_CovDPercent,2,FALSE)*K4,Weights_Possible_CovD_Limits,1,TRUE))
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W4W4=VLOOKUP(RANDBETWEEN(1,ISWeights!$A$16),ISWeights!$A$2:$B$15,2,TRUE)
Y4Y4=VLOOKUP(RANDBETWEEN(1,10),Weight_Construction_Type,2,FALSE)
Z4Z4=VLOOKUP(RANDBETWEEN(1,100),Weight_Residence_Type,2,FALSE)
AA4AA4=RANDBETWEEN(25,80)
AB4AB4=VLOOKUP(AA4,Age_Banding,1,TRUE)
AC4AC4=VLOOKUP(RANDBETWEEN(1,10),Weight_Deductible,2,FALSE)
AD4AD4=ROUND(AC4/K4,3)
AE4AE4=IF($AK4="Yes",AC4,IF(AC4=500,1000,AC4))
AF4AF4=VLOOKUP(RANDBETWEEN(1,10),Weight_Roof_Material,2,FALSE)
AG4AG4=VLOOKUP(RANDBETWEEN(1,10),Weight_Roof_Shape,2,FALSE)
AH4AH4=IF($U4<=20,$U4,12)
AI4AI4=VLOOKUP(RANDBETWEEN(1,100),Weights_Number_of_Stories,2,FALSE)
AJ4AJ4=MAX(200,ROUND($K4/$AJ$2,0))
AK4AK4=IF($AK$
 

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How long does it take if you turn off workbook calculation before doing the copy and paste ? (don't forget to turn it on again after)
 
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Hi rlv01,

Usually it only takes Excel a second or so to move from Automatic calculation to Manual calculation. Though today and yesterday after the final column copy and paste it only took Excel 5ish seconds to go from Manual to Automatic (including the formula calculation). Moving back to Manual afterward took about 15 minutes. This was a new development. I have never had that problem before.

Thanks
 
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I've never had an issue switching to manual calculation. My guess is that something else was going on and the switch to manual was coincidental. With 100k rows of cells containing vlookup formulas, you should always turn off calculation for copy/paste. Or before sorting.
 
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All,

I have determined the cause of the slow copy and paste. It is the "+5" in the below formula:
=INDEX(Year_Built_Table_THS_Proposed,MATCH($C4,Year_Built_RowHeaders_THS_Proposed,0),MATCH($G$1-$U4,Year_Built_ColHeaders_THS_Proposed,1)+5)

No idea why that would be the issue but removing the "+5" solves the problem.
 
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